[TYPO3-english] Key features of Typo3 for not Typo3 consultants

[Giuseppe L.]

Hi all,

I like a lot Typo3 since a lot of years, and we used as CMS for our website about 3 years ago.But I can't get to use it for our customers, due to our web job is done mainly by a person accostumed to wordpress and Joomla. I don't find ways to use it as as our main CMS for our customers with success, because my main web consultant don't likes Typo3 too much.

Not so easy as Joomla/Wordpress, High learning curve, more time demanded to build a site, templating (we tried to use TV with Artisteer without success in the past), more extensions possiblities with Joomla or Drupal, no woocommerce*, etc.... , and so on. To clarify, right now we work with Themler, a tool thath can give us the HTML needed for the template.

Last years, we were working with Wordpres Joomla and Drupal, but mainly Joomla.

The problem is I'm tired of vulnerabilities and I'm trying again to impose again Typo3 as our main CMS, for this reason, I ask for advice on how to "sell" to our main web consultant that Typo3 is the best option against "the 3 others" to build the corporate websites of our customers, links or tutorials to show thath templating is not a nightmare, and so on...

Thanks to all.

* With no woocommerce, I mean some "little" shop solution with spanish payments gateways and so easy to setup.

[Bernd Wilke]

Post by Giuseppe L.
Hi all,
I like a lot Typo3 since a lot of years, and we used as CMS for our
website about 3 years ago.But I can't get to use it for our customers,
due to our web job is done mainly by a person accostumed to wordpress
and Joomla. I don't find ways to use it as as our main CMS for our
customers with success, because my main web consultant don't likes Typo3
too much.
Not so easy as Joomla/Wordpress, High learning curve, more time demanded
to build a site, templating (we tried to use TV with Artisteer without
success in the past), more extensions possiblities with Joomla or
Drupal, no woocommerce*, etc.... , and so on. To clarify, right now we
work with Themler, a tool thath can give us the HTML needed for the
template.
Last years, we were working with Wordpres Joomla and Drupal, but mainly Joomla.
The problem is I'm tired of vulnerabilities and I'm trying again to
impose again Typo3 as our main CMS, for this reason, I ask for advice on
how to "sell" to our main web consultant that Typo3 is the best option
against "the 3 others" to build the corporate websites of our customers,
links or tutorials to show thath templating is not a nightmare, and so
on...
Thanks to all.
* With no woocommerce, I mean some "little" shop solution with spanish
payments gateways and so easy to setup.

I will give you a short answer, you may consult Mathias Schreiber [1]
for more information. He may assists you in spreading the word about TYPO3.

I think without an integrator which has a good knowledge about TYPO3 it
will stay hard. But on the other hand: every knowlege gathered with
TYPO3 will bring you to a stable and secure CMS :)

the days of TV are gone. TV has some drawbacks which some successors
also have.
the best way for you is fluid and the core extension
Fluid-Styled-Content for own/new content elements. it is a templating
engine similar to smarty. meanwhile most extensions use fluid for
templating.

theming a website is not so easy than in wordpress, but there is a small
community which wants to change it and already provides some themes.

there are some shop-solutions, but I have no clue about spanish payment
gateways. but TYPO3 is open and has the possibility to enhance it
everywhere (if you are/have a good PHP programmer)

[1] Mathias is product owner of TYPO3. you may reach him via slack. get
your invitation to slack here: https://forger.typo3.org/slack

bernd

[Michael Schams]

Hi Giuseppe!

Find a non-technical opinion below.

Post by Giuseppe L.
But I can't get to use it for our customers, due to our web job is
done mainly by a person accostumed to wordpress and Joomla. I don't
find ways to use it as as our main CMS for our customers with success,
because my main web consultant don't likes Typo3 too much.

Depending on the size of the company you are working for, the choice of
the system and services you offer around it, should be a strategic
decision, not a decision of one person alone (not yours, maybe not the
main web consultant).

Also depending on the size and vision/mission of your company, multiple
products may co-exist, e.g. WordPress and Joomla and TYPO3 CMS. The
requirements of your clients and their projects should control which
system is the best fit (not the taste of a consultant).

Post by Giuseppe L.
Not so easy as Joomla/Wordpress, High learning curve, more time demanded
to build a site, templating [...], more extensions possiblities with
Joomla or Drupal, no woocommerce*, etc...

Yes, well, maybe some of these opinions are not totally wrong :-)
TYPO3 CMS is an enterprise content management system, WordPress is a
Blog system (which evolved to a CMS more or less) - IMO.

Flying a plan requires a little bit more knowledge and training than
riding a bicycle ;-)

Post by Giuseppe L.
The problem is I'm tired of vulnerabilities and I'm trying again to
impose again Typo3 as our main CMS, for this reason, I ask for advice
on how to "sell" to our main web consultant that Typo3 is the best
option [...]

Don't fight against him, don't try to convince him by all means. If he
does not want to listen, he won't listen.

Find a project that is a challenge for WordPress or Joomla and seek
advices from the TYPO3 community, what would be possible.

Present pretty cool TYPO3 websites (see links below) and maybe ask your
main web consultant about workspaces, localisation (incl. language
detection), Solr integration, etc. in WordPress/Joomla.

https://www.t3blog.com/
http://welovet3.com/

Organise a casual talk or workshop and present the basic concepts of
TYPO3 CMS to your colleagues, your boss, etc. as an "alternative option
when your clients want more than just a website" :-)

Get in touch with the TYPO3 Marketing Team:
https://typo3.org/teams-committees/marketing/

If all your clients are very, very happy with WordPress/Joomla and your
company makes a lot of money with it (incl. your web consultant) and
neither your clients (and potential new clients) nor your company is
interested in other systems... but you are... consider changing the
company :-)

If you are not happy with the product(s) and/or services your company
offers, you are not the first one who moves on.


Cheers
Michael

[Giuseppe L.]

Thanks a lotr for your comments, and sorry for delay.

Right now I have a "little" project to quote, and talking with the team, maybe Typo3 could be the way to go. I have to study about.

It's a website, with a section for "orders" (like a virtual shop), where users/products/rates/orders should be syncronized with our "ERP".

There are some Fluid template out there to study how it works on a real theme?

There are some answer why all sites developed on typo3 in all links, ar outdated?
I mean, all sites I see on typo3blog or others, has more than 2/3 years, nothing new/modern, using Typo3 7, fluid and so on?

Regards.

[Tonix - Antonio Nati]

Post by Giuseppe L.
Thanks a lotr for your comments, and sorry for delay.
Right now I have a "little" project to quote, and talking with the
team, maybe Typo3 could be the way to go. I have to study about.
It's a website, with a section for "orders" (like a virtual shop),
where users/products/rates/orders should be syncronized with our "ERP".
There are some Fluid template out there to study how it works on a real theme?

Sorry, I don't know. I don't use fluid at all.

I'm developing a complete shop/market place solution, completely from
scratch, with loading of products from remote applications using json calls.
Now it's ready at 70%, but I will give it only as service on my servers.
One customer will start within two months.
Catalog, baskets, custom menus, remote and local loading, checkout,
orders, payment gateways are ready. Now I'm developing surrounding features.

Post by Giuseppe L.
There are some answer why all sites developed on typo3 in all links,
ar outdated? I mean, all sites I see on typo3blog or others, has more
than 2/3 years, nothing new/modern, using Typo3 7, fluid and so on?

As I told you, a lot of people is not so happy with latest TYPO3
evolution, so they are evaluating if to continue or not.

Best regards,

Tonino

Post by Giuseppe L.
Regards.
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[Jigal van Hemert]

Hi,

Post by Giuseppe L.
There are some answer why all sites developed on typo3 in all links, ar
outdated? I mean, all sites I see on typo3blog or others, has more than
2/3 years, nothing new/modern, using Typo3 7, fluid and so on?

I don't know what you're looking for, but if you look at the larger
agencies they have plenty of examples of recent sites made with TYPO3.
From large entertainment companies, governments, municipalities, retail
companies, the list is endless. Four random examples:

https://www.playstationnetwork.com/
https://www.rlp.de/
http://www.utrecht.nl/
https://www.mandemakers.nl/

[Giuseppe L.]

Quote: Jigal van Hemert (jigal) wrote on Thu, 17 March 2016 01:13
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Post by Jigal van Hemert
Hi,

Post by Giuseppe L.
There are some answer why all sites developed on typo3 in all links, ar
outdated? I mean, all sites I see on typo3blog or others, has more than
2/3 years, nothing new/modern, using Typo3 7, fluid and so on?

I don't know what you're looking for, but if you look at the larger
agencies they have plenty of examples of recent sites made with TYPO3.
From large entertainment companies, governments, municipalities, retail

Thanks for the links.
What I look for is for advice about if T3 it's a good way to go.
The idea is to have a virtual shop for our "ERP". On this project is to have a business site, with an "Orders" section. This orders section is a catalog of thousands of products, without pricing. The idea is different types of users can login, and depending of the user type, one price or other should be showed. They send to the cart the products they want, and checkout (for initial requiirements, the customer don't pay from the site, just put the order). Then our "ERP" take this pending orders and finish the process. There are other custom-rules to apply to all the process.
The site is just for this process, all products, attributes like colors, and so on, should be managed by our "ERP". The customer don't enters the site for anything.

Basically is just a catalog to take orders. I'm evaluating wich CMS fits better to integrate to our software. On CMS we have a Joomla/Prestashop background, with zero experience on T3. Taking into consideration thath mainly we need just a catalog with some custom-rules added, synced with our software, I'm studying If take the time to learn T3 for this is worth, or if it's better to directly develop something custom-made for this task. What more worries me is templating and TypoScript. Seems like a lot of job is needed to something "easy". Very flexible and powerfull, but I think for bigger projects, don't needed right now for our actual projects size. Is just an opinion from a newbie on T3, for this reason I ask, because you are the experts.
Don't know If I'm explaining correctly sorry.

Regards.

Post by Jigal van Hemert
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[Dmitry Dulepov]

Hi!

Post by Giuseppe L.
The problem is I'm tired of vulnerabilities and I'm trying again to
impose again Typo3 as our main CMS, for this reason, I ask for advice on
how to "sell" to our main web consultant that Typo3 is the best option
against "the 3 others" to build the corporate websites of our customers,
links or tutorials to show thath templating is not a nightmare, and so
on...

Tell them, they will have a chance to join a VERY good company of sites:
http://blogue.infoglobe.ca/2008/10/22/51-typo3-sites-which-you-may-not-have-known-were-typo3-based/